Philosophy 1: Introduction to Philosophy

Los Angeles Pierce College

Department of History, Philosophy, & Sociology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lecture Notes for Plato's Theaetetus (201c to 210d)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0) "Understanding" Spanish

 

1) Second Essay Prompt

 

2) Writing Tips and Generic Margin Comments

 

3) Searle's Chinese Room

 

4) Plato's Theaetetus

 

5) Group Exercises Along the Way

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Second Essay Prompt:

http://www.christopherlay.com/introsecondessayprompt.html 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) Writing Tips and Generic Margin Comments

 

http://www.christopherlay.com/EssayWritingTips.htm

 

http://www.christopherlay.com/GenericMarginComments.htm

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Searle's Chines Room

 

(Stanford Encyclopedia Entry)

 

 

 

Searle (1999, ÔThe Chinese RoomÕ, in R.A. Wilson and F. Keil (eds.), The MIT Encyclopedia of the Cognitive Sciences, Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.):

 

"Imagine a native English speaker who knows no Chinese locked in a room full of boxes of Chinese symbols (a data base) together with a book of instructions for manipulating the symbols (the program). Imagine that people outside the room send in other Chinese symbols which, unknown to the person in the room, are questions in Chinese (the input). And imagine that by following the instructions in the program the man in the room is able to pass out Chinese symbols which are correct answers to the questions (the output). The program enables the person in the room to pass the Turing Test for understanding Chinese but he does not understand a word of Chinese."

 

"The point of the argument is this: if the man in the room does not understand Chinese on the basis of implementing the appropriate program for understanding Chinese then neither does any other digital computer solely on that basis because no computer, qua computer, has anything the man does not have."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4) Plato's Theaetetus

 

 

 

 

 

What is knowledge? 

 

This is a metaphysical question about an epistemological concept.  We'll employ logical analysis to answer the question. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group Warm-Up Exercise

Each group selects an everyday object to focus in upon, then answers the following questions.  What would it mean for someone to have:

0) no knowledge (none at all) about your object? 

1) have bad knowledge about your object? 

2) have good enough knowledge of your object? 

3) really good knowledge of your object?

4) perfect knowledge of your object?

5) divine knowledge of your object?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Be prepared to present your group's findings to the class. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Socrates and Theaetetus proceed as follows. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hypothesis

Knowledge consists of true judgments with accounts. 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Accounts

Things accountable are knowable, and things unaccountable are not knowable. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

What is knowable?

But how are we to distinguish knowable from unknowable? 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Socrates' Dream       

Primary elements have no accounts. 

 

Complexes have accounts. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Primary Elements     

Can only be named.

 

We cannot predicate being to them, since predicating being to them would be more than naming them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unaccountable

"[I]t's impossible that any of the primary things should be expressed in an account; because the only thing that's possible for it is to be named, because a name is the only thing it has. 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elements Summed Up       

Elements have no account, are unknowable, but are perceivable.  

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Complexes        

Composed of primary elements woven together.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Accounts  

Accounts are "a weaving together of names."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Complexes Summed Up    

Complexes are knowable, expressible, and we can give judgement so of them.         

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True Judgement w/out an Account   

"Now when someone gets hold of the true judgement of something without an account, his mind is in a state of truth about it but doesn't know it; because someone who can't give and receive an account of something isn't knowledgeable about that thing." 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Knowledge:  True Judgement w/an Account      

"[I]f he gets hold of an account [in addition to a true judgement], then it's possible ... for him to be in a perfect condition with respect to knowledge." 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Application to Language    

Consider some elements and complexes in language. 

 

"[I]s it the case that syllables have an account but letters don't?"

   

"Socrates" First syllable = "so"

 

"so" = "s" + "o"

 

"s" + "o" = account of "so"

   

Yet ...        

"[H]ave we shown that a letter isn't knowable but a syllable is?" 

 

Have we? 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Letters qua Elements / Knowable      

"[I]f it's necessary to know each one in order to know the two of them, then it's absolutely necessary that anyone who is ever going to know a syllable should first know its letters." 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Syllables qua Emergent Being   

Or do syllables have their own kind of being? 

   

Here, "a complex is one kind of thing which comes into being out of each set of elements that fit together."

   

Is this new kind of thing such that it will thus not have parts?

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group Exercise

 

The purpose of this exercise is to help you understand the difference between parts and wholes and to help you understand the difference between parts and sums.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Directions:

 

a) count off to seven

b) get into the groups corresponding to your number, making sure to sit in circles

c) briefly introduce yourselves and assign roles for each member (e.g., leader, presenter, question answerer, fact checker, etc.)

d) craft an example of a mere sum (which has parts but is nothing more than an accumulation of those parts)

e) craft an example of a whole (which has parts but is more than just an accumulation of those parts)

f) prepare a brief explanation

g) present your findings to the class

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Having Parts

 

Sum

 

v.

 

Whole        

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either

 

a "whole is the parts" (sum),

 

or

 

a whole "is some one kind of thing which has come into being out of the parts and is different from all the parts" (whole).   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theaetetus goes for the latter

   

Sum ­ Whole     

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sum

Sum = all the things [that make up the sum]

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Number & Sum

 

Number of things

 

=

 

The Sum

 

=

 

All the things [that make up the sum]

   

 

 

 

Numbers & Parts       

The number of things = the parts

   

 

 

 

Parts

Having parts = consisting of parts

   

All of the parts = the sum

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wholes     

If wholes were all of the parts, then wholes would be sums, but ...

 

Wholes ­ sums

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But  

Are wholes ­ sums? 

   

When There's Nothing Missing  

Sum exists "when there's nothing missing."

   

Sum = Whole?

Whole is "that from which nothing at all is missing."

 

If there's something missing from some thing, then neither a whole, nor a sum exists .

 

So, sum = whole?

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Being Knowable  

If a complex is not composed of elements (if a complex is a whole), then it doesn't have elements as parts.

 

But then wouldn't a complex be as unknowable as an element? 

   

   

 

 

 

   

   

   

   

   

Restatement & Conclusion         

"Now you remember that a short time ago we were accepting something which we thought was a good thing to say:  namely that there is no account of the primary things of which everything else is composed, because each of them itself, but itself, is, as we said, incomposite, and it isn't correct to add to it, not even by saying 'is' about it, or 'this,' since that would be to mention things different from it and not proper to it; and it's that reason, we said, that makes it lack an account and be unknowable."  

 

"And now the complex has fallen in the same class as the element, given that it doesn't have parts and is a single kind of thing?" 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dilemma  

If this is the case, then elements and complexes are either equally knowable or equally unknowable.  

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Equally Knowable     

"So if, on the one hand, the complex is a plurality of elements and a whole, with them as its parts, then complexes and elements are knowable and expressible in accounts to just the same extent, since it has turned out that all the parts are the same thing as the whole." 

   

Equally Unknowable

"And if, on the other hand, it's a single thing without parts, then a complex and an element lack an account and are unknowable to just the same extent; because the same reason will make them so." 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the Face of a Dilemma  

"So if anyone says that a complex is knowable and expressible in an account, and an element the opposite, let's not accept it." 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Learning Support      

Consider knowing one's ABC's:  "That when you were learning you spent your time doing nothing but trying to tell the letters apart, each one just by itself, both when it was a matter of seeing them and when it was a matter of hearing them, in order that you wouldn't be confused by their being put into arrangements, whether spoken or written." 

   

Elements, thus, are more knowable than complexes. 

 

"[T]he class of elements admits of more knowledge that is far clearer, and more important for the perfect grasp of every branch of learning, than the complex."

   

   

 

 

 

 

   

The Question at Hand        

"[W]hat, exactly, is meant by saying that an account, if added to a true judgement, becomes the most perfect knowledge." 

 

"[T]ell me, what, exactly, are we intended to take 'account' as signifying?" 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sense One / Expressions  

"The first would be making one's thought plain by means of speech, with expressions and names"

   

Problem for Sense One / Expressions

"On those lines all those who make some correct judgement will turn out to have it with an account, and there will no longer be any room for correct judgement to occur apart from knowledge." 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Sense Two / Elements      

"[B]eing able, when one is asked what anything is, to provide the questioner with an answer in terms of its elements."

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wagon Example of Sense Two / Elements

"'Wheels, axle, body, rails, yoke.'"

 

"[I]t's impossible, he'd think, to give an account of anything in a knowledgeable way until, as well as one's true judgement, one can go through each thing element by element." 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problem with Sense Two / Elements

"So there's such a thing as correct judgement with an account which oughtn't yet to be called knowledge." 

 

[Consider the so-called Chinese Room.]

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sense Three / Differentness     

"Being able to state some mark by which the thing one is asked for differs from everything else." 

 

"[I]f you get hold of the differentiation of anything, by which it differs from everything else, then some people say you'll have got hold of an account"

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problems with Sense Three / Differentness       

"[W]hen I was merely judging [about what Theaetetus is], wasn't it the case that I had no grasp in my thought of any of the things by which you're different from anything else?" 

 

Theaetetus:  "Apparently not." 

 

"So I had in my thought one of the common things, none of which you have to any greater extent than anyone else does." 

 

Theaetetus:  "Yes, that must be so." 

 

"But, for heaven's sake, in such conditions how on earth could it be you that I had in my judgement any more than anyone else?" 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"[I]t won't, I think, be Theaetetus who figures in a judgement in me until precisely that snubness has imprinted and deposited in me a memory trace different from those of the other snubnesses I've seen, and similarly with the other things you're composed of." 

 

"So correct judgement about anything, too, would seem to be about is differentness." 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group Exercise

 

 

 

Position 1: I have a well-developed argument, and I stand in need of a colleague who has one too, so that we may engage in objection-finding activities together.  Find two like you. 

Position 2: I think I know what I'mma gonna argue.  Find three you.

Position 3: I do not have an argumentÐperiod.  Find four like you.    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group Work Summary: In groups discuss your individual essay's argument, and then work on coming up with an objection to either your thesis or your support for your thesis. 

 

Step 0 (in one minute): Identify yourself as being in position 1, 2, or 3.

Step 1 (ten minutes): Individually, write out your argument on a piece of paper.  As best you can, distinguish your conclusion from your premise(s).

Step 2 (ten minutes):  In groups (corresponding to your position), discuss (or invent) your individual arguments, in turn. 

Step 3 (ten minutes): In groups, offer your colleagues, in turn, possible objections to either their theses or their support for their theses.

Step 4 (ten to twenty minutes):  In your original (pre-group) seats, we collectively discuss the fruits of our labor.